Thursday, November 10, 2005

Rebbe-Moshiach-G-d?

B"H
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Posted by Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky at 7:43 AM
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4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Memutza' ending with ayin, not hay, means intermediary, which you interpret as "connector". Memutza as you have it here means "squeezed out".

Everything is here but the virgin birth.

8:03 PM
Anonymous said...

You don't know how to learn.

Not only are you an idiot, you are a bufoon and a moron.

You are an embarrassment to your Rebbe.

Refuash shleima

7:50 AM
Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky said...

By the grace of G-d
Recent emails on this topic between Rabbi Aharon Benjamin Frimer and me:

Shalom R'Ariel.
First of all I want to apologize if the tone of my last emails were not in accordance with the spririt of ahavas chinam that the Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach called for to bring the Geula. You are right, when you say that this was not appropriate...

I was giving this some thought today - as I feel that this is really a serious issue indeed. On the one hand it is true that in the Sefer Zechariah 14:
9. And the Lord shall become King over all the earth; on that day shall the Lord be one, and His name one.

shall the Lord be one For all the nations shall abandon their vanities and acknowledge Him, that He is one, and [that] no strange deity is with Him.

and His name one That His name shall be mentioned by everyone.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16218&showrashi=true

The Ibn Ezra, Radak and Malbim on the verse say that this means that in the time of the geulah that the Shem haMefurash will be pronounced as its written(!) But you still haven't proven that a) we are already in the time of geulah that this is referring to and b) that this is infact the halacha!

(In the Talmud Pesachim 50a there is also a comment which may be relevant at the bottom of the page: http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/trace/t2314_9.htm )

On the surface of things this may seem to possibly support your view (if you could somehow demonstrate that the Olam HaBa has already started to enter this world - however - as of yet I still do not know where your proof for such an idea is. Please tell me specifically which sichas you are referring to (w/page # /link if possible) - to support this extreme position.

Now let me clarify about what I just wrote above - in that this is all as far as pronouncing the Shem HaMeforash goes. That is one issue. (The one that Abba Shaul said was related to one's chelek in Olam HaBa! - as I quoted last time). A separate issue is whether it is shayach to refer to the Rebbe MH"M Shlit'a with this extreme and provocative terminology.

Let us consider for a moment what we recite in Kiddush Levanah "

5. Afterwards shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God and David their king, and they shall come trembling to the Lord and to His goodness at the end of days.

Afterwards Following the days of exile.

shall the children of Israel return It was taught in the name of R. Shimon the son of Yochai: The children of Israel rejected three things during the reign of Rehoboam; the Kingdom of Heaven, the kingdom of the House of David, and the Holy Temple, as it is written: “What portion have we in David” (I Kings 12:16) which may be understood literally; “to your tents O’ Israel” (ibid.), do not read, “to your tents” (Heb. ?????????) but “to your gods” (Heb. ????????) “now see your own house, David” (ibid.), refers to the Holy Temple (see Rashi I Kings 12:16). R. Shimon the son of Menassiah said: Israel shall not be shown any omen of good until they repent by seeking out all three; “Afterwards shall the children of Israel return, and seek their Lord their God,” which refers to the Kingdom of Heaven; “and David their king” is self explanatory; “and shall come trembling to the Lord and to His goodness,” which refers to the Holy Temple, as it is written “that good mount” (Deut. 3:7) (a reference to the Temple Mount. [from Midrash Samuel 13:4]

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16157&showrashi=true

Now if it were really shayach to refer to the Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach Shlit'a as HaShem - as you suggest - then why would Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai have taught that the geula will only come when the Bnai Israel seek out ALL THREE things that they had neglected before a) HaShem their G-d b) David their King c) the Beis HaMikdash?! Looking forward to hearing your comments.

May we merit to bring nachas to HaShem our G-d and to the Rebbe MH'M Shlit'a with simcha ve'tuv levav!

Aaron
PS Today was the yaarzeit of Rabbi Nachum of Chernobyl. Didn't you say that he was related to you? What do you think that he would have said about this? Think about it!

Passing of R. Nachum of Chernobyl (1797)



PPS The dvar Torah about the Kiddush Levana prayer - I heard at the Shabbos table of Rabbi Yossi Engel in Crown Heights. Rabbi Nosson Meretzky (in the cc field above) was at the same Shabbos tish (many years ago).


Rabbi Nachum of Chernobyl was a disciple of the second leader of the Chassidic movement, Rabbi DovBer of Mezeritch, and the founder of the Chernobyl dynasty of Chassidic Rebbes.



Hello aharonbenjamin@yahoo.com,



In reference to your comment:



B"H
Shalom R'Ariel, I checked into this with some people (meshichists) (including my mashpia) and they do not seem to be in favor of this.
I'm fully aware of that.

Who told you that it is ok?
It follows from the Sichos if one is willing to read them as if one is a ben chomesh le'mikra ignoring the political implications of the advised actions...

Also, I thought that the Rebbe had said that the Beis Din in Crown Height will be the last word in halahca until the coming of Moshiach - did you hear differently?
There are a number of Sichos on that issue there are a number of answers that i can give:
1)One doesn't ask Sanhedrin or a mashpia anything unless one has doubt as it's writen in Dvorim if it's above your level of understanding.(free translation)
2)In the Sicha "veHachai iten al libo the Rebbe states that if such a thing were to happen again one should refer halachik questions to a Beis Din of 3 Chabad Shluchim in ones community.
3)As far as I know the Beis Din of CH is not functioning as a Beis Din read CH Chronicle to see this or simply visit CH it functions as Rabbis Azdobah and Schvei giving separate and sometimes conflicting responses and Rabbi Heller not being active at all as I understand please update me on this if I'm wrong.
4) I haven't yet seen any cherem or cherem like letter against Elokistim from any Chabad beis din worth the name please send me a copy if you have one.


A gut voch - yechi HaMelech HaMoshiach! Aaron

A gute voch

Ariel Sokolovsky
617-372-2312
http://www.BostonChabad.com

Yechi Yehovoh Tzidkeinu!

========Original Message======== Subj:Re: Welcoming Katrina
Date:11/12/2005 9:58:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
From:aharonbenjamin@yahoo.com
To:rabbiariel5740@aol.com
Sent on:

B"H


Shalom R'Ariel, I checked into this with some people (meshichists) (including my mashpia) and they do not seem to be in favor of this. Who told you that it is ok? Also, I thought that the Rebbe had said that the Beis Din in Crown Height will be the last word in halahca until the coming of Moshiach - did you hear differently?

A gut voch - yechi HaMelech HaMoshiach!
Aaron

rabbiariel5740@aol.com wrote:

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
I had interesting time in Milwaukee...
Shais is a good guy from what i can see ...
In the Sicha vehaChai iten al libo the Rebbe Hashem Tzidkeinu clearly says how halachik questions will be decided and he doesn't grant the Badatz of CH exclusive authority over the whole wide world for one thing . However i can also understand their ruling since according to simply pshat in Yeremia 23 Yidn will call Moshiach Hashem Tzidkeinu after final redemption which is not yet apparent to everyone however it seems to me and is confirmed by the Rebbe's answers that it's ok and proper to use this terminology at least in some times and places to atract attention to the issue and make a point...
With profound respect and blessing.
Ariel Sokolovsky
Yechi Malka Shel Oilom! (fraze once used by the Rebbe MH"M Shlit"a at a farbrengen:)



-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Frimer aharonbenjamin@yahoo.com
To: rabbiariel5740@aol.com
Cc: redemption_time@yahoogroups.com; Doug Kramer ymkramer@gmail.com
Sent: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:26:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Welcoming Katrina

B"H


Shalom R'Ariel, good to hear from you. Hope you had a good time in Milwakee. I also don't know what's going on with Shais, but he's a good guy. By hashgacha pratis a Meshichist friend of mine may be coming to Chicago for Shabbos, maybe you could help him find a place for Shabbos. (I am ccing him on this email. I think that he will call you iy'H.)

I also don't think that I am intersted in this job at this time but thanks for thinking of me. We should speak by phone some time. You can call me or vise versa.

If you remember, I mentioned that the beis din in Crown Heights was against the bachurim putting up posters of the Rebbe that said HaShem Tzidkeinu. http://www.moshiach.ca/gpage.html9.html

Be well - Yechi HaMelech!
Aaron

rabbiariel5740@aol.com wrote:

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
Yes since as you see this was sent to ***** which has headquarters in Chicago and cLaims to be the largest "Peace NOW" like group in America .
By the way interesting you mention this i spent 20 days in Milwaukee ND NOW i'm here in Chicago for a week at Moshiach Center ( www.chicagoanash.org) no winds nor Catrinas just yet.:-) May be they have been doing teshuvah or something:-)
Brocha veHatzlocha!
Ariel Sokolovsky
617-3722312
PS. I have some audio posts on my blog about my Chicago and Milwaukee experiences you are welcome to spread them around also call me if you can i need to speak with you i may have a job for you in Milwaukee teaching in Yeshivah i'm opening there or fundraising for it. Your friend Rabbi Seth Taub works for _________ (_________'s brother in law see http://www.chabadvideos.com the one for Milwaukee ) and denies the whole story with Igrot at the Ohel and 770. You need to come there and elevate Him since he is clearly a spark there i think not a klipah as opposed to _________himself and some others :-)
Yechi haMelech haMoshiach Hashem Tzidkeinu!

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Frimer aharonbenjamin@yahoo.com
To: RabbiAriel5740@aol.com
Cc: redemption_time@yahoogroups.com; joan1345@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Welcoming Katrina

B"H

R'Ariel, are you referring to Chicago?

Yechi HaMelech!
Aaron

RabbiAriel5740@aol.com wrote:


From: RabbiAriel5740@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:29:29 EDT
Subject: Welcoming Katrina
To: info@*****.org

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
Why are you trying to invite another hurricane ( http://moshiachtv.blogspot.com/2005/09/something-to-ponder-here.html ) to yours already "windy city"?:-)
With blessings for good, sweet and windy year http://www.jewishnewyear.org for you and yours.
Ariel Sokolovsky
http://www.torah.5u.com/aboutme.html
http://moshiachtv.blogspot.com
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!



"Tracht Gut vet zein gut" think good, it will be good (the Tzemach Tzedeck)

Aaron Benjamin Frimer
905 763 3915

http://www.moshiach.ca
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/redemption_time/
http://www.chabad.info/
http://www.yiddishkeit.org/

Yechi Yehovah Tzidkeinu!

3:16 AM
Anonymous said...

B"H
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYONE IS GETTING SO UPSET ABOUT CAN ANYONE PLEASE WRITE SOME RATIONAL QUESTIONS/COMMENTS INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING INSULTS AT RABBI ARIEL? "

8:03 PM

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