By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
770 Rambler writes:
"Wednesday, April 20, 2005
The Two Line Version Tells it All
The Crown Heights Chronicle’s headline blares:
Cases Dismissed in Cornerstone Arrests;
Plaque Blowtorched Days Later
I don’t know whether the reporter noticed the connection between headline and subtitle, but anyone who knows anything about crime prevention certainly did.
I, too, reported on the two incidents (one & two), but out of order (i.e. the first event I learned of, and thus reported on, last) so I missed the proximity.
In retrospect, it's obvious.
Simply put: The students who, for several months were living with an impending criminal case over their heads did not commit any many major crimes. It follows, obviously, that several days after charges were dismissed they or their friends came back for another helping.
770blog.com
"
My comments:
#1 According to reports in your own blog the plaque was defaced few times over the last few months with criminal charges pending.
#2 You can't realy scare people with criminal charges when they believe they are doing G-d's will.Study history especialy history of Chabad Lubavitch.
#3 As the elected Gaboim of the 770 pointed out in the court papers one can't place a plaque on the wall of 770 with statements most of people in 770 see as against the Rebbe's teachings and excpect it to hang there undisturbed http://www.chabad.info/index.php?url=article_en&id=3694 .
PS:A chosid asked the Rebbe if the Macholikes between those who call themselves Mashichistim and those who call themselves non-Mashichistim is is a proper arguement and if it should be continued. Here is the answer that he recieved a letter from 13th of Sivan 5711 to the Union of Poalei Agudas Yisroel here is the letter itself:
http://www.otzar770.com/cgi-bin/imgserv.exe/convert?ilFN=C:\HOME\ocr_files\main\egrot\04\B0000324.tif&ilIF=G&ilSC=30
http://www.otzar770.com/cgi-bin/imgserv.exe/convert?ilFN=C:\HOME\ocr_files\main\egrot\04\B0000325.tif&ilIF=G&ilSC=30
here is the Russian translation and discussion about it where it was originaly posted
http://www.livejournal.com/community/de_kommutator/
The bottom line of it that unity is important and is for the ultimate benifit of all involved.
You are welcome to post English translation of the letter and your comments here.
PS:What do you think this letter implies should be done as far as plaque on 770 cornerstone is concerned?
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!
Wednesday, April 20, 2005
Who is in charge in Chabad , or what's wrong with Moshiach flags?
By the grace of G-d
From Sefad to Brooklyn to Chicago
Some comments from 770Rambler
http://770blogger.blogspot.com/2005/04/from-sefad-to-brooklyn-to-chicago.html
Avodas Avoda said...
Thank you Ariel.
Look, you've all just demonstrated that your biases have twisted your rational judgment. Now I ask again, and try to be rational here: What's so bad about putting Yellow flags on your house? Admittedly, I wouldn't do it, but what's so bad about it?
I looked at the Moshiach Center website, and it looks like they run Moshiach programming. They're Mishichistim, so you don't like them. But, b'poel, it looks like they do programs that attempt to bring closer to the Rebbe and to the inyan of Moshiach.
What's the problem?
1:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Their entire existence there is to discturb the Shluchim. Sure it looks good, until you know what they are up to -- undermining existing Chabad institutions in existence for 40+ years.
7:01 PM
Josh said...
"undermining existing Chabad institutions in existence for 40+ years."
Very well said. That's what most of the tzfatim are doing. However to the extreme they are undermining the Rebbe.
1:37 AM
Ariel Sokolovsky said...
By the grace of G-d
Shalom ubrocha!
Rebbe King Moshiach Shalit"a made every Jew his Shaliach, he never created "protected teritories" for "official shluchim" he said in a sicha from 5747 every Chabadnik should put up a sign Chabad House on his home (see more on this with links here at the end of my bio http://torah.5u.com/aboutme.html, he said all Jews should welcome Moshiach publicize his identity and accept his kingship with joy.
Honest Jews in many cities across the globe are upset that some of the "official shluchim" are ignoring the Rebbe's explicit words so they open "competing" Chabad Houses. Competition creates better quality product in the long run and some anymosity in the short run...
It's very telling that Mashichistim usualy quote in clear context sources within the Rebbes teachings for what they are doing while those from the so called establishment brush them of without adressing the issue because they have nothing to say to justify their own inactioon and opposition except unjustly acusing us of misinterpretation of the Rebbes teachings without even trying to prove this baseless alegation.If such case would go before a goyish judge he would throw out the charges against Mashichistim as fast as the judge threw out charges against me without me having even to say one word in my defense (see updates Dac 28 thru Jan 21 on my site http://www.Torah.5u.com
brocha ve'hatzlocha
Ariel Sokolovsky
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!
9:55 AM
Anonymous said...
Ariel - If you guys are right, why didn't the Rebbe leave you in charge? Clearly Aguch and Merkos is in charge? Why hasn't the Rebbe "stopped" what they are doing if it is wrong...
Oh wait, you're a ba'al teshuva who was never part of the Rebbes secretariat....But you seem to know what's going on...Ok, that makes sense.
1:17 PM
Anonymous said...
Yechi Hamelech!
2:54 PM
Ariel Sokolovsky said...
By the grace of G-d
"Anonymous said...
Ariel - If you guys are right, why didn't the Rebbe leave you in charge? Clearly Aguch and Merkos is in charge? Why hasn't the Rebbe "stopped" what they are doing if it is wrong...
"
The Rebbe never said that every Lubavitcher must be botel to Aguch and or Merkos.
The Rebbe left public orders for everyone willing to fulfill them.
If people in charge of the Aguch and Merkos were given orders by the Rebbe to censor his teachings to exclude whatever they fill is controversial (it's not only about Moshiach campaign they often censor other things too)the burden of proof is on them to prove it.If they can't prove it it's my and your right and obligation to fulfill Rebbe's published orders but understand that if Aguch Merkos or anyone else seems to be doing something against what the Rebbe told everyone to do there must be a need for it in the world (it's called rotzon ha'hitzon in Chassidus)in this case the Rebbe mentioned in the Sicha about eternal life (Chaiei Sarah 5752) that Moshiach and many others will have "eterrnal life" and some will have very long life but in the midle of that there will be concealment like it says in Ishaiah 54:7 and 8 (which hints at Gimel Tamuz see my article http://torah.5u.com/hidden-timeline-of-moshiach-and-redemption.html )
Bottom line heads of Merkos and Aguch do things that seem to be against the Rebbe's revealed orders exersising their freedom of choice however on a deeper level the Rebbe is "forcing" them to do it since for various reasons there is a need for their actions in the world just like there was a need for Pharoh to harden his heart...
"Oh wait, you're a ba'al teshuva who was never part of the Rebbes secretariat....But you seem to know what's going on...Ok, that makes sense. "
#1 One often gets a clearer picture when looking from the outside.
#2 I met many on the inside who have the same views I do.
#3 Ultimatly you have to agree that Yudel, Shem Tov and the rest of the "insiders" never had a valid claim that the Rebbe said they understand things better than everyone else around them and everyone must treat them colectivly or individualy as a "new Rebbe" (G-d forbid!)
If you would see them eating pork would you claim they have been given secret instructions from the Rebbe ordering them to do so?:-)
How is this any differnt.
With respect and blessing
Ariel Sokolovsky
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!
From Sefad to Brooklyn to Chicago
Some comments from 770Rambler
http://770blogger.blogspot.com/2005/04/from-sefad-to-brooklyn-to-chicago.html
Avodas Avoda said...
Thank you Ariel.
Look, you've all just demonstrated that your biases have twisted your rational judgment. Now I ask again, and try to be rational here: What's so bad about putting Yellow flags on your house? Admittedly, I wouldn't do it, but what's so bad about it?
I looked at the Moshiach Center website, and it looks like they run Moshiach programming. They're Mishichistim, so you don't like them. But, b'poel, it looks like they do programs that attempt to bring closer to the Rebbe and to the inyan of Moshiach.
What's the problem?
1:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Their entire existence there is to discturb the Shluchim. Sure it looks good, until you know what they are up to -- undermining existing Chabad institutions in existence for 40+ years.
7:01 PM
Josh said...
"undermining existing Chabad institutions in existence for 40+ years."
Very well said. That's what most of the tzfatim are doing. However to the extreme they are undermining the Rebbe.
1:37 AM
Ariel Sokolovsky said...
By the grace of G-d
Shalom ubrocha!
Rebbe King Moshiach Shalit"a made every Jew his Shaliach, he never created "protected teritories" for "official shluchim" he said in a sicha from 5747 every Chabadnik should put up a sign Chabad House on his home (see more on this with links here at the end of my bio http://torah.5u.com/aboutme.html, he said all Jews should welcome Moshiach publicize his identity and accept his kingship with joy.
Honest Jews in many cities across the globe are upset that some of the "official shluchim" are ignoring the Rebbe's explicit words so they open "competing" Chabad Houses. Competition creates better quality product in the long run and some anymosity in the short run...
It's very telling that Mashichistim usualy quote in clear context sources within the Rebbes teachings for what they are doing while those from the so called establishment brush them of without adressing the issue because they have nothing to say to justify their own inactioon and opposition except unjustly acusing us of misinterpretation of the Rebbes teachings without even trying to prove this baseless alegation.If such case would go before a goyish judge he would throw out the charges against Mashichistim as fast as the judge threw out charges against me without me having even to say one word in my defense (see updates Dac 28 thru Jan 21 on my site http://www.Torah.5u.com
brocha ve'hatzlocha
Ariel Sokolovsky
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!
9:55 AM
Anonymous said...
Ariel - If you guys are right, why didn't the Rebbe leave you in charge? Clearly Aguch and Merkos is in charge? Why hasn't the Rebbe "stopped" what they are doing if it is wrong...
Oh wait, you're a ba'al teshuva who was never part of the Rebbes secretariat....But you seem to know what's going on...Ok, that makes sense.
1:17 PM
Anonymous said...
Yechi Hamelech!
2:54 PM
Ariel Sokolovsky said...
By the grace of G-d
"Anonymous said...
Ariel - If you guys are right, why didn't the Rebbe leave you in charge? Clearly Aguch and Merkos is in charge? Why hasn't the Rebbe "stopped" what they are doing if it is wrong...
"
The Rebbe never said that every Lubavitcher must be botel to Aguch and or Merkos.
The Rebbe left public orders for everyone willing to fulfill them.
If people in charge of the Aguch and Merkos were given orders by the Rebbe to censor his teachings to exclude whatever they fill is controversial (it's not only about Moshiach campaign they often censor other things too)the burden of proof is on them to prove it.If they can't prove it it's my and your right and obligation to fulfill Rebbe's published orders but understand that if Aguch Merkos or anyone else seems to be doing something against what the Rebbe told everyone to do there must be a need for it in the world (it's called rotzon ha'hitzon in Chassidus)in this case the Rebbe mentioned in the Sicha about eternal life (Chaiei Sarah 5752) that Moshiach and many others will have "eterrnal life" and some will have very long life but in the midle of that there will be concealment like it says in Ishaiah 54:7 and 8 (which hints at Gimel Tamuz see my article http://torah.5u.com/hidden-timeline-of-moshiach-and-redemption.html )
Bottom line heads of Merkos and Aguch do things that seem to be against the Rebbe's revealed orders exersising their freedom of choice however on a deeper level the Rebbe is "forcing" them to do it since for various reasons there is a need for their actions in the world just like there was a need for Pharoh to harden his heart...
"Oh wait, you're a ba'al teshuva who was never part of the Rebbes secretariat....But you seem to know what's going on...Ok, that makes sense. "
#1 One often gets a clearer picture when looking from the outside.
#2 I met many on the inside who have the same views I do.
#3 Ultimatly you have to agree that Yudel, Shem Tov and the rest of the "insiders" never had a valid claim that the Rebbe said they understand things better than everyone else around them and everyone must treat them colectivly or individualy as a "new Rebbe" (G-d forbid!)
If you would see them eating pork would you claim they have been given secret instructions from the Rebbe ordering them to do so?:-)
How is this any differnt.
With respect and blessing
Ariel Sokolovsky
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!
Moshiach and Zionism
By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
Some quotes of the Rebbe King Moshiach Shlit"a about State of Israel and religious Zionism (belief that the State of Israel is in itself the begining of redemption:
http://www.otzar770.com/personalize_general/bookmark_list.asp?NewBookmark=true&nFolderId_in=152
brocha ve'hatzlocha
Ariel Sokolovsky
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!
Is it permited to ask questions thru Igros Koidesh ?
A post in response to a Lubavitcher Chosid claiming it's not our custom to ask questions this way.
By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
Whoever quotes someone by name brings geula to the world.Quoting a source is not limited to Baaley Teshuvah it's proper behaviour in general.
If you would click on the link in my previous post http://www.hageula.com/igrot/heb/explain.htm you'd see it links to an article by Yochanan Eliyahu Gurarye Shlit"a Chief Rabbi of Cholon "Sources for using the holy books as a goral" with footnotes with some of the quotes from the Sichos directly.I could also give you a link to the a Sicha in SichosinEnglish.org site (not a mashichist site, right? [as if a mashichist site that quotes a sourse from the Rebbe is not kosher]however beware that the Sicha in the original ads that "since some feel it's disrespectfull to use holybooks as a goral perhaps it's better to use Igrot Koidesh which have letters on many differnt topics such as a parnosa health etc." )
here is the quote from Sichos in English see footnote 109 at the bottom
httphttp://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:mHs9AE9_x70J:www.sichosinenglish.org/books/sichos-in-english/41/34.htm+site:www.sichosinenglish.org+random&hl=en&start=14
and another (less direct one) one from Likutei Diburim:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:3o4aYifgJgYJ:www.sichosinenglish.org/books/likkutei-dibburim-4/11.htm+site:www.sichosinenglish.org+random&hl=en&start=15
besides the article I mentioned in previous post that lists more quotes. http://www.hageula.com/igrot/heb/explain.htm
PS: The Shluchim who say it's forbiden to use Igros usualy use them themselves, but teach others not to use it since they are afraid that people will create anarchy thru improper understanding of the replies.
brocha ve'hatzlocha
Ariel Sokolovsky
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe king Moshiach Forever and Ever!
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